Today, I
will be addressing his original comments as well as touching on the animosity that continues to brew
between former owner Norma Sutcliffe and Corey Heinzen, which is all based on alleged
dishonesty and unethical behavior on the part of Heinzen at the time of
purchasing the property from Sutcliffe.
Although a lot of people out there think the Heinzen's are nice people, my personal experiences with them from the very beginning have been anything but nice. In fact, after finding out about them purchasing the property back in 2019, I reached out to them via snail mail with a letter sincerely asking them to preserve the factual history of the home and not to jump on the bandwagon with all of the paranormal groups perpetuating the false lore that has been spread for many years. I also provided them with a copy of some of my thorough research debunking Bathsheba Sherman's false attachment to the home's history, as well as debunking several false claims about deaths at the home claimed in Andrea Perron's books, so they couldn't say they weren't aware of the facts. I was immediately met with a threatening message from their friend, Bill Brock on Facebook on July 27, 2019, which showed that someone had taken a sharpie and wrote the expletive “Fuck Off!” on my letter that I had sent to the Heinzen's.
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I actually spoke to someone who was there at the house when this event took place and this person told me that he saw when Bill Brock took my letter and sent this and that Corey Heinzen was okay with it, despite Corey's email to me on August 1, 2019 claiming he had no idea that Bill had done that.
But going
back to the video on SEG's channel last month, this blog will be to
set some information straight so that the public will actually have a chance to
know Norma's side of the story, not just a one-sided story by the Heinzen's.
In Corey’s comment to me he states: “So why was Norma on Ghost Hunters, Season 2, Episode 2? Or better yet, why does she talk about it with Andrea Perron on countless videos?” Then he goes on to ask: “Strange, it didn’t stop her from having other teams in to investigate? Or having her “tea time with the spirits”? Or talking to her former staff at the daycare about the ghosts? Would you like for me to continue? I honestly don’t think you were given the complete story by her.”
Originally my first response to Corey on the Youtube thread was this:
"First and foremost G.H. Season 2 was filmed between 2005 and 2006. When Norma bought the house she was told a previous family claimed that the house was haunted. She found it interesting even though she was more skeptical than a believer. The Perron's, upon meeting Norma made vague claims about the house in the beginning. It wasn't until years later that Andrea started showing up at the house wanting to share stories with Norma. (Some of which were recorded). At that point Norma didn't know a lot about the history of the house and so Andrea made claims and Norma politely listened. One of Norma's friends talked her into doing the G.H. episode hoping to debunk the rumors. She regretted it later. After Norma started researching the facts about the house she saw that all the so-called " history" Andrea had tried to spread wasn't based on documented facts and Norma even tried to confront Andrea at a local Paracon. That was when Andrea got upset, screamed at her and ran off stage because someone had called her out on her over embellishments. So there you go....."--- ---
Going back to all the questions coming from Corey on the Youtube video's comment thread, I decided to go straight to the source and reach out to Norma myself for her answers to provide to the public. But first, my question to Corey is how do you live with yourself knowing you tricked an elderly lady, a widow nonetheless, into selling her property to you under the guise you were going to use the property for people and/or children with disabilities and animal therapy? When Norma was told that the house would be in no way used for anything paranormal, and yet the ink hadn’t even dried on the property sales documents, and you were already planning paranormal business on the property.
NORMA’S ANSWERS:
"Hi. To answer the questions, the only reason I did the Ghost Hunters show was out of sheer curiosity to see what they would claim, long before the movie or the return of Andrea to the farm. Also, the only other group I had allowed in the home to investigate was Keith Johnson because they called me. Seeing that he was the original investigator, both groups came because I was very interested in what they would claim, none of which used critical thinking, as Kent Spottswood and I did.
Why would I speak about facts if I wanted to believe or to make claims about having ghosts? They just used Perron's claims, and Johnson made the same claims in his book without an investigation into the facts. I never said I believed in the paranormal. Even during the filming of the show. At the end I said it was “interesting” and would have this to show in the future. If I wanted that attention I would have done my own ghost tours. People will believe what they want….. no matter what evidence is given. The hard evidence against Perron’s claims is at the library and town hall and all the lies about who died at the farm. I confronted her (Andrea Perron) at the paranormal event in Harrisville in front of her followers and I was booed and told to leave."--
Regarding Operating a Daycare and “Tea Parties”:
"I operated the first group home day care in the state. I was part of the development of home day care rules and began the home day care association in Rhode Island. I never told the staff of my daycare that I believed in ghosts. I told them about the Perron claims. We joked at times about ghosts but only jokingly. Also, I never spoke of the claims at my tea parties. I was given a lot of publicity for my “teas.” In national magazines, local magazines, the news and on local radio and I never mentioned any ghost claims. Also, my daycare was in Rhode Island Monthly and on the TV news as a great example of childcare in Rhode Island.
I spoke of visits from the Perron family and Warren’s visit. May I remind everyone that the Warrens said the Perron family were the most dysfunctional family they had ever met. The Warren’s told the children their mother was possessed and never to play with Ouija board. Never had any issues. I was well respected. Licensed in 1975. Retired. 2012, at age 62. My daycare was unusual because I had sheep, horses, a dog and cats. Long walks in woods on trails, swimming in the brook, sledding on the hill, etc. I also did cooking workshops and was featured in many magazines for that. I was well known in town, and I never received a complaint by any parent."---
Regarding the alleged drawings of the "Crooked-Neck Lady" that was revealed after the Heinzen's purchased the home:
"There were never drawings in the house like that. No children ever went to the basement. I saw a photo of the drawing; they claimed it looked like it was inside door of white cabinet in cellar." -- According to Norma, this drawing was placed after the home was sold, and did not exist prior to her selling the house.
Regarding the sale of the house and the many items Norma left in the house (antiques):
"Corey lied about his intentions and the neighbors and town were infuriated about it. They knew me and my husband, how we fully restored the house and farm buildings. Another lie claimed by Cory that he had to restore the house.
Corey and Roxanne claimed their intention was to open a farm for special needs children with animals. Roxanne was to raise funds having afternoon tea. Right after closing, Corey forced Roxanne out. I confronted Corey of their intentions of purchasing the house if it were due to the movie, he just said nothing but moved his head "No."
Well, Corey lied to me about his intentions. I confronted him about exploiting the farm, he never admitted to his plan. If he had, I would not have sold it to him.
Roxanne was the
main person I spoke to throughout the days before closing. She was the
partner who told me the intentions they had planned. She did the walk
through. I only saw Corey twice, at the initial meeting and one
more time without Jennifer. We never discussed why I was leaving.
Only asked Roxanne what she would like if I left items. She was the
one who showed the most interest in the books the other items. During the
walkthrough I had to schedule another clean out but Roxanne said don’t bother.
She would do it. So, I told her what items I was going to leave.
I had a dealer come who I had hoped would take all antiques I left but did not want large items. So, I told Roxanne that I would leave big pieces since they belonged in the house. And she had shown great interest in books and large tables; I never discussed anything with Corey. Except I said to him directly that I assume you do not have plans to exploit this home because of movie. He said nothing. I went on to say because not only would I be angry, but the neighbors would retaliate.
Never talked to either Jennifer or Corey about items in the house. That is why I signed a document describing items I left for Roxanne. She was at the closing sitting right next to Cory. Next day Corey told her she was out. She had a key I gave her. She went back to the house and took whatever she could handle and got a lawyer. She has emails I believe discussing with Corey the terms of plan once the purchase went through.
This all began with Cory Heinzen’s lies. Had I known, I would never have sold it to them. Who would buy the farm now? I had wished someone would have loved it for its own beauty and peacefulness."---
What Norma has to say to those continuing to spread false information about the history of the home:
“You are all destroying truth and have no real evidence. So,
if you claim the house is so obviously haunted, then get the real scientists and skeptics in
to do the research. But you don’t dare!"--
In ending, as you can see from Norma's side of things, she has reasonable explanations for her side of the story. There are always two sides to a story, and Norma really hasn't been at the forefront lately stating her side of the story to the public, so unfortunately it's the attention whores who want to remain relevant in the paranormal field that keep spouting out their nonsense without actually stating the truth. Please use critical thinking and common sense to sift between the bullshit and the truth, and come to your own educated and informed opinion.
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(copyright 2025 -- J'aime Rubio -- www.jaimerubiowriter.com)
