Discrepancies In the Perron's Story About Conjuring House Doesn't Add Up

I have so many blog posts to share with you all, and it is taking me a very long time to get them all up. So, please bear with me, as I slowly get all of my research out there to enlighten you all with the facts surrounding the true history of the "Conjuring House." (Did I happen to mention that I really hate that name?!) 

First and foremost, I have always had a hard time believing the Perron's story. It isn't that I don't believe in the spirit realm, because I do. I have had plenty of paranormal experiences in my lifetime which cannot be explained. I just do not usually delve into that subject with my writing. I am more about documented facts and finding logical explanations for the most part. But again, I do believe supernatural experiences happen. With the Perron's story though, it is more about the credibility factor, as to why I have a hard time believing their story. 

You see, the stories that the Perron's have shared over the years have consistently changed way too much. That is a red flag for anyone actually paying attention. Second, Andrea Perron's stories have started morphing into over the top scenarios as time has gone on, too. (I am not even going to get into the whole alien and bigfoot nonsense!)

Look, if you want to believe everything Andrea says, that is totally up to you, I cannot tell you what to think or what to believe. I can only lead you to the facts, and hope you come to a logical opinion of the situation once you have all the information. 

Do I think the Perron's experienced something at the home? Well, it's hard for me to say. 

On one hand, I think it is quite possible that they may have experienced something; but on the other hand, I think much of what they believe they experienced can be explained logically; and those explanations are not supernatural. We will get into all of that in another blog post very soon, but today we are going to go over some of the interviews and quotes that the Perron's have made about their experiences at the house to analyze how the story seems to have changed over the years.

For one, Andrea has become the "spokesperson" for the family, often being interviewed and giving first hand eye-witness accounts of various experiences, only for us to find out that some of what she so adamantly explains was not even her own experiences, but instead that of her mother's.

Did her mother tell her these stories after the fact? It just seems overly detailed for the memory of a young girl back in the early 1970's - we are talking over 50 years ago. 

A good example, the first encounter Carolyn had with the entity that Andrea would later claim was either Mrs. Arnold or  Bathsheba Sherman** in her book, "House of Darkness, House of Light." 

(**For the record, I have already proven that Susan Arnold did not hang herself at the property, and Bathsheba was also innocent and was wrongfully slandered posthumously in those books as well as in the film, "The Conjuring.") 

***DISCLAIMER: I have posted the interview quotes below under the protection of the FAIR USE LAW as a critical review in order to educate the public of contradictory information that has been published under the pretense of being factual. ***

In the quoted interview below, this was recorded after 2013, after the film had come out, a whole 42 years or more after the initial "experience," Carolyn was said to have had at the house. 

Andrea's Quoted Interview: 

"It floated. It didn't have any feet, and it had a long, kind of gray to brown linen dress, a very tight bodice, wide belt, lace around the neck, and the head was hanging off the neck, to such an extent, that it looked like it had been snapped and then just allowed to fall. It looked like a desiccated hornet's nest. It had no discernable features, the eyes were hollow black sockets, the nose were just two little holes, very, very thin lips, jagged yellow teeth, and the head had sprigs of hair, like wild sprigs of hair. And it looked like it was covered in cobwebs, or something meshy over it, and it was moving closer, and closer and closer to her.  It did not speak to her during the first encounter."-- Andrea Perron

(to watch the video and hear this for yourself, please click here).

That is a lot of discernable features, for something that had "no discernable features."

In an interview in 2013,  for the Channel 4 news, "San Antonio Living," Andrea mentions the day she moved into the farmhouse:

The interviewer asked in regards to the newly released film, "The Conjuring,"

"That was your life, but worse, right?"

Andrea's response:

"They really had to tone it down for the film. James, James Wan, the director was shooting for a PG-13 rating, he wanted to bring this story to as many people as he could, and when he got the R rating, I was with him, and he hit the roof! We had to pull him back down.  He said to the MDAA  (I think she meant MDA) 'what do I have to take out of the film in order to get a PG-13?'  and they said there's nothing you can remove, it's just too scary. And they had already toned it down so much, that he was shocked, but it worked out well, and God knows that it's on dvd now all the teenagers are seeing it........."

When asked about the day they moved in, how much time had passed before they knew that the house was haunted.

Andrea's response:

"About five minutes. We bought the house in December of 1970, but my mother refused to move at Christmas, imagine that! So, we moved in the first week of January, 1971, in the middle of a snow storm. Swirling ice storm. And my dad, it was a whole caravan, and it was chaos, of course, moving days tend to be.  But my dad handed me a large box of the back of the truck and said take this to your mother in the kitchen. So I went through the parlor door, so I had to walk the entire length of the house to get to the kitchen and pantry, and it was more than 110 feet long. 

So, I walked into the dining room, and I saw an oddly dressed man in the corner of the dining room, and I greeted him, because I was a polite child. I said good morning, and he didn't respond to me. His focus was entirely on the elder gentleman who was moving out of the house, who had sold it to us. And so I kept going, and I walked in the kitchen and said 'Mom, who's that other man with Mr. Kenyon in the dining room?' and she said ' there is no other man in the dining room.' 

And then Nancy came in, Christine came in, Cindy came in and then the last sister came in and said, 'that man in the dining room just disappeared.'" --

(you can watch this clip for yourself here)

Interestingly enough, Pam Kenyon was there that day and her recollection of the events were a bit different. Pam, who was an adult when this event occurred remembered that day vividly. Why? Because Pam was not happy with what happened that moving day.

You see, according to Pam, the Perron's decided to move in before her grandfather had even had a chance to move out. Mind you, this was the middle of winter in New England, and so this should have been planned out better. Poor Mr. Kenyon got a knock on the door and here they are moving in and he hasn't even moved out.  

"Perron (the father) had somehow gotten use of a moving van and we had to pack up my grandfather and move him all in one day.... We had to do this, as I said, all in one day. I have no idea why everything had to be done the way it was. Not at all."

Pam went on to describe how it was her, her dad, her mom and others there that day, moving her grandpa's stuff out of the house and the barn. She said that there was nothing paranormal going on, as she was was there. If Andrea and her sisters saw anyone with Mr. Kenyon, it was more than likely his son, Earl Jr. 

Roger claimed in a video taped interview, "On the first day, the owner said, do your family a favor, keep the lights on at night." 

According to Pam, that was not true at all. In fact Pam claimed that her grandfather was a practical, New Englander and he didn't believe in anything like that. She said he never had any experiences in that house for the 47 years he lived there, and if he had said anything along the lines of keeping a light on, it was because he was an elderly man, and had to keep a light on to see at night when he walked down the stairs to go to the bathroom, as he could have fallen and broke a bone, or worse. If he did say something about the light, it was so that the children wouldn't fall down the narrow stairs in the middle of the night, in the dark trying to get to the restroom. There is a logical explanation here! 

Also, going back to the beginning of the interview, remember how Andrea said "they had to tone it down," meaning the film was toned down in comparison to what they experienced in the home? Why is it that later Andrea claimed that the film was overly exaggerated? I have seen multiple interviews where she later backtracked and said it wasn't has bad as the movie led on, and then she would plug her books, so that people would read her story, as she claimed hers was the "true story", not the film.

In an email Andrea wrote to me back in 2016, she said this of the film:

"The Conjuring" and the Warren files did a huge disservice to Bathsheba's memory and I had no control over how she was represented and vilified in the film but I will always defend her because I do not believe she was guilty of what she has been accused of by Lorraine Warren."--- Andrea Perron's email via jaimerubiowriter.com web form submission. 

I can literally quote passages from Andrea's books where she demonizes Bathsheba. I can even quote interviews where over and over she brings up Bathsheba's name and blames her for the things that they allegedly experienced, even going so far as to claim Bathsheba was "lusting" after her dad, so we aren't going to cover that one today, but we are going to get into her comment where she blames Lorraine Warren solely as being the one to start the Bathsheba Sherman lies. 

I place the initial blame on both the Carolyn Perron and Lorraine Warren for the false stories about Bathsheba, as no stories about Bathsheba, or any sort of accusations about her ever existed before AUGUST of 1973. --

I think they are equally guilty of allowing such horrid slander to be shared about an innocent person, but I will not blame just one side and not the other. 

1) There are interviews of Carolyn Perron claiming she did research and found all these records about Bathsheba. 

Fact: There are no such records, so we know this to be untrue. Still, Carolyn perpetuated the false story in filmed interviews. 

2) There were interviews aired of Lorraine Warren claiming that she was the one who initially felt the presence of Bathsheba Sherman when she was in the house, and that she said her name first. 

Fact: She was told of Bathsheba's name prior to coming to the farmhouse, so she didn't just magically come up with that name when she came to the house, as much as she tried to pretend that she did.

So, both women will take an equal part in the blame here........ BUT (and there is a HUGE BUT)

3) Andrea Perron was an adult when she wrote her first book. As an adult, she had the responsibility to do her own research and not just take someone's word or someone's recollection as gospel and run with it. Had she done even the most basic research on Bathsheba Sherman's history, Susan Arnold's history, or any of the other people she has brought up in her books, she would have known that NONE of those stories she has shared in PRINT was true. 

As an author who has published five historical non-fiction books, I can tell you that research is the most important part of writing. If your research is not done correctly, you ruin the entire book. How can anyone believe anything you have to say, if you adamantly state things that you cannot prove?  

So, yes, I also place blame on Andrea Perron for stoking the flames of a forgotten fire that started with her mother and Lorraine Warren back in 1973, but snowballed into the monstrosity that is now "The Conjuring." 

Going back to Carolyn's interviews, on the television program "Paranormal Witness" (Season 4; Episode 10) titled "The Real Conjuring," which aired on October 28, 2015,  Carolyn states:  "I read the medical report, the coroner examined the baby and found that a needle had been embedded into the base of the child's skull. I couldn't believe it.....I wondered if Bathsheba had stabbed me with a needle and planted a curse on our property and on me."-- 

For one, there was no death of a baby, so there would be no medical report for a non-existent event about a non-existent baby. So either Carolyn was lying or she imagined the entire scenario. I am not sure which is worse. 

For the record, mental illness is no laughing matter and I am not a medical doctor, so I am not going to throw in some sort of diagnosis, because I am not in a position to do so. However, I do believe that one should seek help from a professional if they are truly imagining certain things are happening that can be proven did not actually happen. Either way, whether imagined or made up, it is very dangerous to spread false information about someone when you cannot back up what you are saying with documentation. Which is the case here. All the stories about Bathsheba have never been backed up by actual documentation. None! 

Carolyn claimed she did all this research, and yet when the family was asked about said research, they claimed the papers were either taken by the Warrens or were lost. Again, no such records ever existed because none of these events happened on the property. There were never any accusations about Bathsheba,  about a baby dying, and certainly nothing about the property such as tragedies, suicides, drownings, etc.

There is also no record of a Mr. McKeachern in Burrillville, the man Carolyn supposedly got so much information from. How convenient. There was a Mr. McEachern living in Providence at one time, but he died long before the Perron's ever lived there and he was not a historian. So where did she get her alleged information? 

Going back to Lorraine Warren, I found it laughable that she claimed she had stepped into the home and sat down on the bed in the room where the library/study is now, and stated, "I sense a malignant presence and her name is Bathsheba." -- Of course she would say that, but those who are "in the know," are aware that Donna from P.I.R.O. had reached out to Lorraine and told her about the house, about Carolyn, and name dropped "Bathsheba," whom she got the name from Carolyn, before Lorraine had ever stepped foot in that farmhouse. 

Do I think that Lorraine added to the story? Oh yes, most definitely. That is why I still think that both the Warren's and the Perron's are equally at fault for the slander of poor Bathsheba. 

Going back to that Paranormal Witness episode, Andrea never mentioned seeing anything on moving day, but she did in the other interview? That is strange. 

In fact, she claimed it was after they had been living there a while, when she saw someone in the reflection in the glass window as she was washing dishes. She also mentioned hearing a baby crying (an infant) but not knowing where the sound came from. Remember this as we will get to that shortly.

In other interviews they say Roger felt trapped in the basement, but they mention that one of the younger sisters got stuck in a trunk in the basement playing hide and seek.  

I am not sure what type of trunk she crawled into, but it has been known since the 1800's  that children have crawled into trunks to hide and got stuck in them and suffocated. There are plenty of reports of that going back over 100 years. There was even an episode about that exact subject on the hit television series, The Waltons, in an episode titled "The Foundling" where the youngest daughter goes into the said to be "haunted house" to hide during a game of hide and seek and got stuck in a trunk. This episode aired on September 14, 1972, the same time period when these alleged events took place in the farmhouse. Coincidence? 

In fact, there are a lot of things I have caught during different interviews and even in Andrea's books that are reminiscent of different television shows, movies and books during or before that time period. Again, that is for another day.

Going on, Andrea claimed to have witnessed her mother's initial experience with the female entity while in a dream state, and yet, the description Andrea gave in the television program was not anything like what she mentioned in the first interview I mentioned at the beginning of this post. In fact, she hardly described her, and only stated the entity of the woman was hanging over her mother, with wood protruding from the ends of her sleeves, and no hands. 

IS THIS THE FIRST ARTICLE? 

North Smithfield-Burrillville Observer, 1977

In this "Halloween" themed article for the North Smithfield-Burrillville Observer, dated October, 28, 1977, the story isn't as sensational as you see in the movie or in the books, but this seems to be the first published article that I could find mentioning the slanderous story of a witch who murdered her child as a sacrifice to the devil.  In this piece though, they do make the claim of someone being frozen to death on the property, two suicides, and three drownings. We all know there were no suicides or drownings on the property. Yes, Jarvis Smith died from exposure in a rickety shack along Douglas Road (now Round Top Road, the outskirts of the property) after passing out drunk, but that isn't anything sinister, and he was literally just passing through.

This article is the first mention of Carolyn witnessing an "apparition of the old woman with head hanging to one side," and that the ghost spoke, "Get out, get out, or I'll drive you out with death and gloom."  It does not give details on what she looked like, and you would think that if it was a fresh memory, given the time period this was published, this would have been the time to describe the event as vividly as it has been described in the last decade or so.  The "other incidents" mentioned that the Perrron's allegedly experienced was hearing a child's voice crying "Momma," doors banging open after they had been secured shut, being attacked with a clothes hanger, and the orange that bled when cut into it. 

Now, remember Andrea said it was an infant crying that they heard, but in this article now it's a child crying "Momma." So which is it? An infant or a young child? 

Fast forward a few years and now this ghost has changed yet again, and a lot more details than the original article. Like I said, these stories seem to get more and more detailed as the years go by. In investigations usually the first recollection is the clearest, because it is the freshest memory in your mind. As time goes on, the memory becomes more vague, less detailed. It just seems odd to me that the more time that passes, the more elaborate the stories became. 

What happpened to the HEADLESS GHOST??!!

For those of you who aren't aware, one of the other original stories was that Carolyn was seeing a "headless ghost" in her house. Yes, that is right! 

According to a tabloid article that Carolyn and Roger were part of (but their names were changed) which was written by none other than Tony Spera back between 1981-1985, the story was not anything like what was told in later years.

Headline: "Fashion Model Meets Headless Ghost" 

"A former fashion model and her husband were forced to flee and panic from the dreadful headless ghost of an old woman and a host of other unholy terrors they encountered in an old haunted house. Even an exorcism by America's most famous husband and wife ghostbusting team Ed and Lorraine Warren, was unable to cleanse the ancient house of its demonic influence. 

Carol and Ronald Barron thought they were escaping the harsh, cold, city life when they purchased the three hundred year old farm in rural Rhode Island. They were blissfully unaware that this was the beginning of a hair raising horror ordeal--and waiting for them were heart stopping encounters with an ugly, disgusting apparition of a headless woman. 

Vicious beatings by unknown, unseen attackers.  Dirge like music coming from an unattended piano early playing by itself. Terrifying screams in the night and psychic light shooting down the chimney, snuffing out the fire.

 Not even an exorcism could rid the house of its evil presence-- In fact it only increased the strength and determination of the wicked forces. Mrs Barron well remembers the first hair-raising encounter a bare two weeks after she and her husband had moved in. 

"I turned over in bed and standing there at the foot of my bed was this apparition or entity it was wearing a dark gray dress and had NO head. I was literally frozen in my bed," she shuddered. Then this voice began reverberating from the walls getting louder and louder "get out! get out!"

It wasn't long after Mrs. Barron was dressing in her clothes closet after a bath and suddenly an iron coat hanger flew from the rack and began pounding her on the head and upper back," she recalled. 

"I was so frightened ,I ran from the room screaming. The next morning I had ugly welts on my body." 

Yet another time she was snacking on an orange by the fireplace. 

"I cut into the orange to peel it and my God it began oozing red thick blood. In fact it dripped onto my feet and coagulated!"

She and her husband were constantly tormented by doors bursting open and slamming shut for no reason at all hours of the day and night. 

"We even tied heavy rope to the doors and placed heavy deadbolt locks but the doors kept bursting open." 

Equally frightening the phone would ring and kept ringing after it was answered. 

"In the middle of the night our piano which isn't a player type, would start playing this horrible dirge like music. I'd get out of bed and go over to it--- I could actually see the keys depressing. Then the horrible blood chilling screams started like nothing I've ever heard before." 

"One bright summer morning, I went out to my vegetable gardena and I heard the voice of a small child crying out for his mama. One night at dinner party for 12, a small beam of light, no thicker than a pencil came shooting down the chimney and snuffed out the fire in the fireplace." 

"And then shot across the room, withdrew itself, then went back up the chimney-- all in a split second."  (***) 

In desperation the frantic family summoned the Warrens to their troubled farm home. 

The Warrens knew the house well, " it has been plagued by many tragedies over is 300 year existence, murders, suicides and drownings. A 98 year old woman who practiced black witchcraft had lived there," says Ed. 

"In her earlier years, she had murdered her own child ---by driving a nail through her head ---as a gift to Lucifer!"

The Warrens did their best to rid the house of its evil spirits, including conducting a light exorcism. It did no good, if anything it made matters worse. The terror-stricken Barron finally fled the house and moved to Georgia. The Warren say they are now hopeful that the location will at last be freed from its dreadful supernatural captivity when a reservoir scheduled for construction buries the haunted house under 60 ft of water." ---(Tabloid Article, Circa 1981-1985) 

***For the record, that light coming down the chimney swirling around the room and going back up did not happen to the Perron's. This was a story that happened to the Kenyons, when a lightning storm caused lightning to shoot down the chimney and the electricity shot around the room and back to the chimney. Scary? Probably for whoever was there, but it was not supernatural. It was lightning and it did damage to the house, which was repaired. Sarah Butterworth sealed up all the chimney's after that episode. Again, probably scary for anyone who experienced it, but definitely not supernatural. They were lucky the house didn't catch fire and burn down. How did the Perron's hear of the story? Who knows...neighbors maybe? 

So the story went from a woman with her head literally hanging off of her body, to a headless woman and now in recent years she is described as a bent-neck or crooked-neck lady? Okay....

Going back to the television program that interviewed the family, when the mention of the seance came up the reenactment had actors in the show with cameras as if the seance was being filmed. Where is the footage? Where are the photos? 

Kenny Biddle, a very open-minded skeptic famous for his logic based research published in the Skeptical Inquirer, and who has his own Youtube channel on various subjects, brought up that very point the other night on one of his live streams where he mentioned that Andrea even talked about the "shutters" of the camera taking photos during the seance. Yet, no one has ever come forward with any evidence of this event -- the Warren's or the Perron's. 

At the end of the television episode it mentions that the footage was "mysteriously destroyed." Again, how convenient. Family member Cindy Perron, stated "If we had stayed, the house would have killed us all."  If that is the case, why did the family stay there until 1980?  Also, why was Nancy allowed to remain at the house for an entire year, by herself, after the rest of the family had moved to Georgia? Not only that, but it was stated that one of Nancy's friends had stayed at the home with her newborn baby for a short period of time, prior to the Schwartz family taking over the property. 

If the house was so evil, if it had terrorized this family so much, why on earth would you allow your daughter to stay there by herself for a year, or allow anyone with an infant child to live there? 

I think any logical person can come up with that answer. 

In ending this blog post today, I hope you are opening your eyes to see the truth about this whole story. And I have plenty more to share with you coming very soon.

Again, I am not going to flat out say the Perron's didn't experience something, I truly believe they think they experienced something, but I do not believe for one second it was anything as dramatic or sensational as what has been told in interviews, the books or the movie. I will leave that up to you, to weigh out the facts and decide for yourself. 

Until next time........

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